Carrieflattsfan
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Since the old Rants thread has disappeared. Post away.
Or...err...rant away.
Or...err...rant away.
The old rants thread disappeared?!
This site just wouldn't complete without this thread.
Random question: what constitutes a good lyric to you? Something simple, honest, and relatable or something creative, colorful, and illustrative?
I feel like everyone except my sister and me falls into the former category.
I think Lyrics can be extremely simple "You Are so beautiful to me..(repeat) You're everything I hoped for, you're everything I need. You Are so beautiful to me".
Or they can be quite complicated and introverted "Bye Bye Miss American Pie........."
What is most important to me, is that a melody is so well married to a lyric that it is as if one could never exist without the other.
"Somewhere over the rainbow blue birds fly......."
Alot of music today is writen either with a lyric that is hammered into a melody or the otherway around. And it is not always a cohisive fit.
Real talented songwriters can make it seem completely seamless even though it isnt. And some, well some make it sound like you are just yelling words to the beat of a beat box. And thats not very difficult to my circle of musician friends.
Some lyrics are intended to sound very mellodramatic and end up falling flat.
Others can cut so deep it is gutwrenching.
But I think, for me, the power is in the marriage of that lyric to an appropriate melody that really slays the dragon.
Both, but I tend to be drawn more to the former, because sometimes I feel like the latter comes across as trying too hard. But if the latter feels genuine to me, then I will call it a good lyric. I just often find that the latter feels too forced or too constructed, rather than honest and genuine.
Random question: what constitutes a good lyric to you? Something simple, honest, and relatable or something creative, colorful, and illustrative?
I feel like everyone except my sister and me falls into the former category.
I fall into the second category, for sure. Sometimes songs like that can come off as preachy as cheesy, though.
To me, there's nothing like relating to a lyric and sometimes it's what I need to hear to gain some prospective. I agree with Jess that sometimes the latter can come off as trying too hard. I don't listen to music because I want to analyze it; it's my therapy.
This is a secret issue I have with Carries lyrics. There is not alot of "stuff" in them.
I think at the moment she is trying so hard to learn the "carft" that she is not quite realizing yet that getting the words to all fit in place is actually the easy part. The hard part is now getting those words to mean something.
T can be real good at this and real terrible at this.
Because she uses such a linier train of thought when her lyrics come out, it is like drival until a diamond suddenly pops out.
And she always has a few diamonds in her lyrics. But it takes a lot of drival to get to them.
But when you do, you wnat to hear them over and over.
There are very few Carrie lyrics that do that for me.
One of the few is (I Will See You Again,,,,this is not where it ends...I will carry... you with me..Till I See You AGain!
The combination of lyric and melody sung with such conviction makes me feel it so intentionally.
I really do live it.
I love Champagne Supernova, too. :') But I will always make fun of Noel Gallagher for that line, "Slowly walking down the hall/Faster than a cannonball."
It's always funny when people bring up the nonsensical lyrics in interviews, and he goes apesh!t. "I DON'T F*CKING KNOW BUT I'M A MILLIONAIRE SO THERE."
I don't listen to music for the lyrics. It's the atmosphere I care far more about, and it's the atmosphere that serves as therapy. But if I'm gonna pay attention to the lyrics, they'd better be worthwhile. Like, if you're gonna be hailed as an amazing lyricist, I'm gonna expect lyrics that fall into the latter category, not the former category. And when people list their favorite lyric, I don't understand why they list a lyric anyone can write. I'm not saying it's wrong since it's their opinion, but that was my point mostly. If I see a lyric that anyone can write, I don't count it as brilliant. Even that Champagne Supernova lyric I just made fun of is more creative than the lyrics some people list as their favorites.
As another point, I don't like when someone writes something completely obvious that makes me go, "Well... duh," and that lyric is hailed as amazing. That flies right over my head right there. It's their opinion and I'm not condemning it. I just don't get it. I place so much emphasis on music that the lyrics have to be special for me to take notice, I guess. And I like lyrics that have to be analyzed because it makes me spend more time on the song and notice more things and allow it to grow on me more. A bit like the GG video. I liked it more than the BHC video because I could analyze it and kept finding new clever details in it.
This is a secret issue I have with Carries lyrics. There is not alot of "stuff" in them.
I think at the moment she is trying so hard to learn the "carft" that she is not quite realizing yet that getting the words to all fit in place is actually the easy part. The hard part is now getting those words to mean something.
T can be real good at this and real terrible at this.
Because she uses such a linier train of thought when her lyrics come out, it is like drival until a diamond suddenly pops out.
And she always has a few diamonds in her lyrics. But it takes a lot of drival to get to them.
But when you do, you wnat to hear them over and over.
There are very few Carrie lyrics that do that for me.
One of the few is (I Will See You Again,,,,this is not where it ends...I will carry... you with me..Till I See You AGain!
The combination of lyric and melody sung with such conviction makes me feel it so intentionally.
I really do live it.
I love a fantastic melody, but 9 times out of 10, I gravitate more towards the lyrics. I've always gravitated towards country music because of it, and I still do to some extent. If I want to find a song that puts exactly what I'm feeling into words, I turn to country music first. A lot of other genres do focus more on the melody/sound though, and that should be appreciated, too. From my personal standpoint, though, it usually isn't what grabs my attention first, at least not in country music.
Most lyrics that everyone can relate to aren't brilliant; I just find something comforting in being able to relate to a lyric. And, I agree that it's irritating to see an artist hailed as a great writer and they don't live up to your expectations. Taylor is actually one of those people who I find brilliant at times and terrible at others, yet 9 times out of 10 she's hailed as one of the best writers of our generation. That's the immediate example that comes to mind when I think of a good talent constantly being called brilliant.
On another note, it's kind of irritating to me that artists nowadays seem to think they need to write their own songs to be considered an artist. If you write *****ty songs but have a great voice, I wanna hear you sing a great song. If you're a great writer but a crappy vocalist, write instead of sing. I feel like the music industry in general would be so much better if everyone just put aside their egos and decided they were going to become better artists by not thinking they need to "do this" or "do that."
Rant: I hate how my sister and my mom consider me weak because I'm polite to every single person I interact with (including people who wronged me/treat me like sh!t). It's not that I'm weak; it's just not in my nature to bear a grudge. I'd just rather do what I think is the right thing regardless of how someone's treating me. I sound full of myself, but I just genuinely feel bad for treating someone like crap regardless of how they treat me. And it's annoying when I get dismissed just because I'm not a hardass like them.