Carrie liked a tweet oh my

[adam1995]

Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist. If I need lasik surgery or a new pair of glasses, his opinion might matter (although I prefer my healthcare providers not be arrogant blowhards). In a life and death situation with a novel coronavirus, I will proudly listen to the nation's leading immunologist who has had the courage to call Rand Paul (and many others) out for their ignorance and irresponsibility in spreading lies during a pandemic. We're talking about the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, people - not some fringe organization. Enough with the conspiracy theories. People are dying!

Fauci did a terrible job with the HIV crisis in the 80s. His track record sucks.

 

[PRGuy79]

People are dying, and will forever that is part of life unfortunately. The virus (human intervention) is now here forever, lets focus our attention on doing the right things, not making it government control...

Follow science which it seems PRGuy79 you are choosing to ignore.... Again I'm not taking a political stance here because it's wrong..

Dr. Fauci is not following science...

Science is what led to the development of a vaccine. The vaccine has proven safe and effective. Whether or not the virus will be here forever is not the issue. The issue is that vaccination of our population will dramatically reduce preventable death (which should be a priority for us all) and therefore allow us to return to a more normal society (not having to wear masks, etc.).

 

[rcramer]

Science is what led to the development of a vaccine. The vaccine has proven safe and effective. Whether or not the virus will be here forever is not the issue. The issue is that vaccination of our population will dramatically reduce preventable death (which should be a priority for us all) and therefore allow us to return to a more normal society (not having to wear masks, etc.).

And the vaccine is not approved by the FDA either.... And now coming to find out that the effectiveness with both of them have been lowered.....
I'm grateful we got a vaccine as fast as we did, lets keep finding ways to perfect it....

 

[PRGuy79]

And the vaccine is not approved by the FDA either.... And now coming to find out that the effectiveness with both of them have been lowered.....
I'm grateful we got a vaccine as fast as we did, lets keep finding ways to perfect it....

Agree. But the vaccine is effective. More than 95% of current hospitalizations and deaths are those who have not received the vaccine. That is evidence. Rather than splicing hairs, we should be united in encouraging people to get vaccinated as quickly as possible.

 

[adam1995]

Science is what led to the development of a vaccine. The vaccine has proven safe and effective. Whether or not the virus will be here forever is not the issue. The issue is that vaccination of our population will dramatically reduce preventable death (which should be a priority for us all) and therefore allow us to return to a more normal society (not having to wear masks, etc.).

We all agree with that. I believe that's the truth. 70% of the country has received a vaccine, that's a substantial total. You're never going to be able to get everyone vaccinated, simply because they don't want it or can't physically get it. Forcing it isn't the way to go, and ostracizing those that don't get it shouldn't be either. I got vaxxed, I will not worry about getting it anymore, because if I do, I know it will mild. If people want to take the risk, that should be there choice. Plus, we have many therapeutics to help fight this. Shut downs, and reducing capacity should be a thing of the past at this point.

We definitely have to be over the worst of this virus. The virus will always mutate though, that's the nature of them, but each mutation generally gets weaker, that's also the nature. We need to learn to live with it at this point.

 

[rcramer]

^^^ Exactly.....

Now lets keep trying to perfect it with other ways by therapeutics such as the monoclonal antibody treatments.....

Hats off to the leaders that realize its here and are rising above it and doing something about it for their states instead of blaming others...

 

[PRGuy79]

We all agree with that. I believe that's the truth. 70% of the country has received a vaccine, that's a substantial total. We definitely have to be over the worst of this virus. The virus will always mutate though, that's the nature of them, but each mutation generally gets weaker, that's also the nature. We need to learn to live with it at this point.

Unfortunately, we don't all agree with that or believe it's true - because of the misinformation. And it has to stop.

And while we're "learning to live with it" and while we wait for everyone to be eligible to receive the vaccine (children 12 and under), we should not be lambasting public schools for doing their best to protect students in the interim. This is a no-win situation. Which is why I was disappointed by the liking of the tweet, which boosted the video in the news feeds of Carrie's 8.2 million followers. This is not a time to attack public education for doing their best to navigate the impact of the pandemic. If we have to "learn to live with it", as you say, then we have to give grace to others who are responsible for making the best decisions possible as the virus continues its rampage.

 

[adam1995]

Unfortunately, we don't all agree with that or believe it's true - because of the misinformation. And it has to stop.

And while we're "learning to live with it" and while we wait for everyone to be eligible to receive the vaccine (children 12 and under), we should not be lambasting public schools for doing their best to protect students in the interim. This is a no-win situation. Which is why I was disappointed by the liking of the tweet, which boosted the video in the news feeds of Carrie's 8.2 million followers. This is not a time to attack public education for doing their best to navigate the impact of the pandemic. If we have to "learn to live with it", as you say, then we have to give grace to others who are responsible for making the best decisions possible as the virus continues its rampage.

I meant we all here agree about the vaccines, at least from what I can tell. The issue is some of the stuff you deem misinformation, is just information you don't like. Is there misinformation, absolutely, again from both sides. You cannot act like the current administration and the left is without fault and does not lie, they do, as does the right.

Again, not everyone who can get a vaccine will, and we shouldn't hinge returning to regular life on that. It is insanity to do so.

I went to public schools in a major city, they are not good, and seeing the unions make demands, get them and still not want to go back, is not good for our students. It will do far more damage than this virus ever could.

 

[rcramer]

Exactly, both lie..... What happened to bipartisanship.....

Its now the task at hand for the current administration and currently they are failing us miserably....

 

[CU4ever]

it would if fools would get vaccinated

also this has long ceased to be about Carrie so I'm moving this out of the chat forum

To a degree, yes, but like… the new variants we have right now Shouldn’t have ever gotten in the country since northern border and travel are closed. If we want new variants to stop, it’s true get vaccinated, but we can only stop new ones from developing in our country. If other citizens of other countries won’t get vaccinated and they develop new variants, we can’t help that. Which is why our borders are supposed to be closed… (and they are except one)

 

[PRGuy79]

I meant we all here agree about the vaccines, at least from what I can tell. The issue is some of the stuff you deem misinformation, is just information you don't like. Is there misinformation, absolutely, again from both sides. You cannot act like the current administration and the left is without fault and does not lie, they do, as does the right.

Again, not everyone who can get a vaccine will, and we shouldn't hinge returning to regular life on that. It is insanity to do so.

I went to public schools in a major city, they are not good, and seeing the unions make demands, get them and still not want to go back, is not good for our students. It will do far more damage than this virus ever could.

I live in a part of the country where the Delta variant is surging and our hospital ICUs are overrun with unvaccinated people being placed on ventilators, so yes, vaccination rates are paramount to our ability to return to "regular life". Until people are vaccinated, our life is (and should be) restricted.

In regard to unions, nothing I said had anything to do with public school unions. I'm talking about the schools who are returning to five days a week of in-person learning, in places of the country (like my state of Missouri and Carrie's state of Tennessee) where COVID cases are spiking. Many of the larger metropolitan schools are requiring masks in order to keep students in the classroom; otherwise they face a need to quarantine large numbers of students who are then forced to learn virtually until quarantine ends. It is a no-win situation. We should not be piling on public schools right now for doing the best they can to keep as many kids in classrooms as possible - nor should we encourage or "like" the actions of others who are behind those attacks.

 

[CU4ever]

Mask mandate for my state was done end of June, and CDC reversed less than two months later.

You seem to believe that words matter, as evidenced by you bringing up a debunked claim about the disinfectant. Well words matter when Biden or Harris say something too, and saying they will not trust Trump on the vaccine matters if people listen. This is a two way street.

I’m pretty sure I read the only reason the CDC dropped the mask mandate was because Biden admin was using it as incentive to get vaccinated, and pressured the CDC to do so.

 

[adam1995]

I live in a part of the country where the Delta variant is surging and our hospital ICUs are overrun with unvaccinated people being placed on ventilators, so yes, vaccination rates are paramount to our ability to return to "regular life". Until people are vaccinated, our life is (and should be) restricted.

In regard to unions, nothing I said had anything to do with public school unions. I'm talking about the schools who are returning to five days a week of in-person learning, in places of the country (like my state of Missouri and Carrie's state of Tennessee) where COVID cases are spiking. Many of the larger metropolitan schools are requiring masks in order to keep students in the classroom; otherwise they face a need to quarantine large numbers of students who are then forced to learn virtually until quarantine ends. It is a no-win situation. We should not be piling on public schools right now for doing the best they can to keep as many kids in classrooms as possible - nor should we encourage or "like" the actions of others who are behind those attacks.

You keep pointing out that the unvaccinated are the ones in the hospitals and on ventilators. The vaccinated should not have to worry about that, as cruel as it sounds. Why is life not returning to normal? Those who want to be vaccinated are, and those that aren't are willing to risk going to the hospital. Your life, and mine should not be restricted after I did everything that was recommended. It was pointless, in my opinion to get vaccinated if I'm not allowed to take my mask off.

My problem with the public schools, is that they are still debating even going in person at this point in time in my area, we have over 70% vaccination rates, that's lunacy. That's unacceptable in my opinion.

 

[CU4ever]

You keep pointing out that the unvaccinated are the ones in the hospitals and on ventilators. The vaccinated should not have to worry about that, as cruel as it sounds. Why is life not returning to normal? Those who want to be vaccinated are, and those that aren't are willing to risk going to the hospital. Your life, and mine should not be restricted after I did everything that was recommended. It was pointless, in my opinion to get vaccinated if I'm not allowed to take my mask off.

I have to wonder if this will change when/if someone gets a booster shot (which in my opinion isn’t encouraging at this point).

 

[adam1995]

I have to wonder if this will change when/if someone gets a booster shot (which in my opinion isn’t encouraging at this point).

No, there are no plans to end this in my opinion. Every variant will be "worse" than the last. They seem to be trying to eradicate a coronavirus (which has basically never happened), so as long as most people listen to the craziness it will keep going. I think the end goal is to have mass mail in voting for the mid-terms next November.

 

[PRGuy79]

You keep pointing out that the unvaccinated are the ones in the hospitals and on ventilators. The vaccinated should not have to worry about that, as cruel as it sounds. Why is life not returning to normal? Those who want to be vaccinated are, and those that aren't are willing to risk going to the hospital. Your life, and mine should not be restricted after I did everything that was recommended. It was pointless, in my opinion to get vaccinated if I'm not allowed to take my mask off.

My problem with the public schools, is that they are still debating even going in person at this point in time in my area, we have over 70% vaccination rates, that's lunacy. That's unacceptable in my opinion.

It was not pointless to get a vaccine if it prevented you from getting seriously ill and prevented you from giving it to someone else. I got my vaccine as much for you as I did for me. It is a shame more people don't consider others at least as much as they consider themselves. And the reason we need to be wearing masks in some situations and in certain communities is that not all of our neighbors are eligible to receive it - namely children ages 12 and under. Until they are vaccinated, and while vaccination rates are low and cases are high, it makes sense for some schools to choose to mandate masking. Congratulations that 70% of people in your area are vaccinated - that is GREAT. Unfortunately, in Missouri and Tennessee, less than 40% are fully vaccinated. I'm not talking about schools where they are debating in-person learning. I'm talking about returning to learning in communities in Missouri and Tennessee where 40% of adults are vaccinated and kids are at risk until they have more options. Why can't we do what's right to protect them in these circumstances? It would be nice if people would do that without a mandate, but Americans seem to have a problem with "doing unto others as we would have them do unto us." In many countries in other parts of the world, people wear masks during cold and flu season - not necessarily because they are sick or fear getting sick, but because in urban areas where people are tightly compressed, they don't want to be "the carrier" that gives it to others. I'm not suggesting we should always wear masks, but we could certainly learn a lesson or two about selflessness from this approach. In general, we are a rude and selfish society.

 

[adam1995]

It was not pointless to get a vaccine if it prevented you from getting seriously ill and prevented you from giving it to someone else. I got my vaccine as much for you as I did for me. It is a shame more people don't consider others at least as much as they consider themselves. And the reason we need to be wearing masks in some situations and in certain communities is that not all of our neighbors are eligible to receive it - namely children ages 12 and under. Until they are vaccinated, and while vaccination rates are low and cases are high, it makes sense for some schools to choose to mandate masking. Congratulations that 70% of people in your area are vaccinated - that is GREAT. Unfortunately, in Missouri and Tennessee, less than 40% are fully vaccinated. I'm not talking about schools where they are debating in-person learning. I'm talking about returning to learning in communities in Missouri and Tennessee where 40% of adults are vaccinated and kids are at risk until they have more options. Why can't we do what's right to protect them in these circumstances? It would be nice if people would do that without a mandate, but Americans seem to have a problem with "doing unto others as we would have them do unto us." In many countries in other parts of the world, people wear masks during cold and flu season - not necessarily because they are sick or fear getting sick, but because in urban areas where people are tightly compressed, they don't want to be "the carrier" that gives it to others. I'm not suggesting we should always wear masks, but we could certainly learn a lesson or two about selflessness from this approach. In general, we are a rude and selfish society.

You can wear your mask forever if you like. Parents in these communities just would like to decide for themselves, and not have strangers decide for their child. That's not some strange concept. A school board is no more informed than a child's parent, just because they are in education does not make them smarter, and it's the superiority complex that is p*ssing people off. The science says kids are much less effected from this virus than they are the flu, we've never treated a recent flu (which is deadlier for kids) this way at all in schools.

At this point, we won't agree, and nothing we say will change that. Maybe we should just move on at this point, and enjoy Carrie for the great person we actually know she is.

 

[rcramer]

You can wear your mask forever if you like. Parents in these communities just would like to decide for themselves, and not have strangers decide for their child. That's not some strange concept. A school board is no more informed than a child's parent, just because they are in education does not make them smarter, and it's the superiority complex that is p*ssing people off. The science says kids are much less effected from this virus than they are the flu, we've never treated a recent flu (which is deadly for kids) this way at all in schools.

At this point, we won't agree, and nothing we say will change that. Maybe we should just move on at this point, and enjoy Carrie for the great person we actually know she is.

I agree 100% And sorry I could never mandate children under 12 be vaccinated, nor make them wear a mask at school all day long..... That to me is down right cruel.....

But yes, like you, I agree we will all have to agree to disagree on the current coronavirus...(so called delta variant) Is there even testing for this??

 

[PRGuy79]

You can wear your mask forever if you like. Parents in these communities just would like to decide for themselves, and not have strangers decide for their child. That's not some strange concept. A school board is no more informed than a child's parent, just because they are in education does not make them smarter, and it's the superiority complex that is p*ssing people off. The science says kids are much less effected from this virus than they are the flu, we've never treated a recent flu (which is deadlier for kids) this way at all in schools.

At this point, we won't agree, and nothing we say will change that. Maybe we should just move on at this point, and enjoy Carrie for the great person we actually know she is.

Agree. We'll agree to disagree.

There is no superiority complex. Schools are acting at the direction of their local health departments. Surely we can agree that a public health expert knows more about what is best in a pandemic than an average person. The problem is a lack of appreciation for experts in their field. People would rather know what "Joe on Facebook" has to say about COVID-19 than Dr. Fauci, the CDC, or a local health department official. That is a crisis of arrogance and ignorance, in my opinion. That combination of arrogance and ignorance is proving deadly in this pandemic.

Do we ask parents if they want their children to go to school? No, it's required. Do we ask parents if they want their children vaccinated against mumps, polio, etc. before enrolling them in public school? No, it's required. The list goes on and on for things we don't have a say in when it comes to our children. The point being: There are times when experts know more about certain issues and are called upon to make mandatory decisions that are in the best interests of a person's child. Parents have options to go to private or homeschool. But the bottom line is this: The choice you make for your child should not potentially harm another child in a public school setting. In this case, masks are required by some schools who are experiencing high rates of infection and low vaccination. Schools are making the requirement to protect ALL children. If your child comes to school unmasked while infected with COVID because you made that choice for them, and then your unmasked child infects my child who is wearing a mask as protection because of my choice, I would be livid at you - the parent. Your choice for your child should not potentially imperil my child when I am doing my best to protect them. And that is what public schools are dealing with. Rather than hoping parents won't be selfish, schools are having to require that people have respect for the health of others. The outrage is misdirected. Anger shouldn't be toward public schools, but toward our own selfishness and inability to do what is right for the common good without being forced to do it. It's shameful.

 

[adam1995]

Agree. We'll agree to disagree.

There is no superiority complex. Schools are acting at the direction of their local health departments. Surely we can agree that a public health expert knows more about what is best in a pandemic than an average person. The problem is a lack of appreciation for experts in their field. People would rather know what "Joe on Facebook" has to say about COVID-19 than Dr. Fauci, the CDC, or a local health department official. That is a crisis of arrogance and ignorance, in my opinion. That combination of arrogance and ignorance is proving deadly in this pandemic.

Do we ask parents if they want their children to go to school? No, it's required. Do we ask parents if they want their children vaccinated against mumps, polio, etc. before enrolling them in public school? No, it's required. The list goes on and on for things we don't have a say in when it comes to our children. The point being: There are times when experts know more about certain issues and are called upon to make mandatory decisions that are in the best interests of a person's child. Parents have options to go to private or homeschool. But the bottom line is this: The choice you make for your child should not potentially harm another child in a public school setting. In this case, masks are required by some schools who are experiencing high rates of infection and low vaccination. Schools are making the requirement to protect ALL children. If your child comes to school unmasked while infected with COVID because you made that choice for them, and then your unmasked child infects my child who is wearing a mask as protection because of my choice, I would be livid at you - the parent. Your choice for your child should not potentially imperil my child when I am doing my best to protect them. And that is what public schools are dealing with. Rather than hoping parents won't be selfish, schools are having to require that people have respect for the health of others. The outrage is misdirected. Anger shouldn't be toward public schools, but toward our own selfishness and inability to do what is right for the common good without being forced to do it. It's shameful.

This will be my last post about it, but I don't think most parents would send their kid to school knowing they are sick. We can't really live in a world where people get mad at someone for getting them sick, because it's never intentional. Nearly everybody whose ever given anyone an illness has not done so knowingly or intentionally. It's a wild thing to get upset about, it happens. But also kids spread all kinds of illness to other kids constantly, it's how they build immunity. In fact a new reason kids are going to the hospital now is that they are getting RSV because they have not been exposed to that pathogen because they haven't been in schools.