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The Gay Rights Movement

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liz278

liz278

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broker 03 - I hope you are trying to say that the over-the-top activitist is a huge obstacle for you to overcome, but you haven't lived the life that gays have to live in the US. There is a town in MN that makes me realize that we have a long way to go to make sure that gay teens can exist in a high school world where they aren't harassed.
One Town's War on Gay Teens | Politics News | Rolling Stone I haven't done this before so I hope the link works. If not its about Michelle Bachman's home town where there was extreme harassment of gay teens in that town. If it doesn't work, can someone fix the link for me? :p
 
Farawayhills

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At one time, it was quite common to hear people say "I'm not a racist - I have a Black friend". The same people might also say they just didn't like the "pushy" ones, who were always making a fuss, demanding this and that, and complaining about jokes and things that were "just the way things were". What those people often meant was that they didn't mind having a Black friend who was non-threatening to the status quo, and accepted a degree of discrimination in society, and perhaps went along with some of the prevailing attitudes in order to "fit in". The point is - "fitting in" worked for some people, but not for everyone. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to put their head above the parapet, and not wanting to be seen as rocking the conventional boat. But at the same time, I'm not going to expect everyone to play along with the "way things are" and wait for the slow march of change. The "pushy ones" are part of the overall picture too - there are pushy, awkward, over-the-top Blacks, Gays, Feminists. whatever, - and, guess what, there are pushy, awkward, over-the-top Whites, Straights, Male Chauvinists too. However - to many apologists for the status quo, and advocates of slow change, the latter tend not to be seen as so much of a problem, because they are basically defending an existing state of affairs, It's the ones pushing for change (even if they are far fewer in number) who tend to be seen as the awkward customers. Actively pushing for change sometimes helps to achieve change - and sometimes is counter-productive - but it's not a one-size-fits-all world, Waiting to stop discrimination until everyone fits our definition of nice means we're never going to stop.
 
carrieidol1

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broker03 said:
Hi there. Did you really read what i wrote? I SPECIFICALLY stated gay ACTIVISTS. Yes i am absolutely right here. Yes i am right about the irrational gays throwing glitter on people. These are grown adults doing this. Yes i am right how these loony gay activists (the leaders of these groups btw) see ANYTHING negative against gays as gay hate. Are there times when its gay hate? Yes. Are there times when it has nothing to do with sexuality? Yes. THIS is my point. I also stated equal rights YES. Special treatment NO. There is a difference here. Also, i know there are rational good hearted gays out there. Of course there is. Anyone who doesnt think this is loony just like the gay activists. I will say this though, the gays need new leaders who are more sane and rational when appealing to people on the fence about gay rights. Saying this, i feel all of this gay marriage, etc is a generation thing. The vast majority of young---under 40--- of both repubicans and democrats support gay marriage and all the other stuff. I am one of them however i will ****NOT**** support all of this until the gays find better and more rational leaders. You people need better representation. That is the key.

One VERY good example is gay activists are calling for a federal mandated law for employers to hire X amount of homos. This is prejudice against the straights!!! Jobs should go to the BEST QUALIFIED. Pure and simple.
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We'll get new "leaders" when straight people find new leaders as well.

Since this is a case of our (gay) rights being determined by straight people, God forbid we have weak representation in the court of law as to why we feel, as people, we may actually be entitled to equal right as well.

My point: You're wrong, believe it or not. No matter who "represents" gay people, gay people just like ALL ****ING PEOPLE in the world deserve equal rights. We shouldn't have to have "representatives". Who is your representative as a straight person? Do you call into your local representative of straight people complaining about gay people sprinkling glitter on to your street? Unfortunately, there is no one in government to "represent" gays. Instead, we do it all on our own without governmental help.

So again, your bigot-like ideology is unfortunately enhanced in that you feel you, or your party (so to speak), feels that you have the power to control an entire group of people. So, if we had better gay "representatives" all of our problems would be solved? I honestly didn't know we had any representatives... I know it's no fault of your own. You were brought up in a society in which anyone different from yourself is thought to be inferior, and must earn their rights. I'm just trying to help you see the hypocrisy in all that you "believe". You speak as if gays are an inferior group that need representatives to stand for our beliefs, and present them to the majority as a case in which we state our pleas for equality. When really, this shouldn't be necessary because as HUMAN BEINGS, we are all supposed to be equal in the first place.... But NOOOOO, for some odd peculiar reason, we need people to state our case as to why we should be granted god-given human rights, as if we're an inferior race of humans or something? GOSH.

As I said in the title post. I'll never give up on spreading the knowledge and ridding the world of the ignorance on this topic, even if it's one person at a time.

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clh_hilary

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Some parts of the United States indeed are hugely conservative...But on the bright side, at least the other parts are pretty much leading the world . ;)
 
liz278

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I am glad that people (and President Obama) are stepping up and wanting equal rights for ALL, I hope that this will stop even a little bit of the hatred and bullying that goes on - some of which we don't hear about because people suffer in silence and are miserable. I just want people to accept people for who they are.
 
carebear4eva

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There'd been speculation for a year, but he finally did it. I do think NC prompted him.

I'm definitely a champion for marriage equality, but if I had to prioritize, it would be lower on my list. First we need anti-bullying and anti-discrimination laws. Everyday that goes by without marriage equality....Eh, we'll survive. Everyday that goes by where some pricks can LEGALLY walk up to a child (or adult) and tell him/her that they think he/she is some dirty person who's going to hell....THAT needs to stop at once.

Only minutes ago I was told that I'm an abhorrence against nature, and that people wished I was dead. For the past eight months, my room-mate in college told me in graphic detail that "hot iron rods were being prepared for me in hell" (he was quoting from a religious text).

Let's stop all of THIS first.

Anyway, very glad the President made this step forward. :)
 
bigbluegrl23

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I love what he said about his evolution of views towards the issue came from conversations with the girls and michelle around the dinner table. Its wonderful for the next generation that the issue is a non issue for sasha and malia. and it also just made their family seem so normal considering their the most famous family in the world prob.
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You have to give the President props on this one. Because straddling the fence would of been the smart political move. Because let's face it in a close election this could give the presidency to Romney. So thats what being a leader is all about. Standing up for what you believe in even if it's not a smart political move.
 
bigbluegrl23

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Johngalt said:
You have to give the President props on this one. Because straddling the fence would of been the smart political move. Because let's face it in a close election this could give the presidency to Romney. So thats what being a leader is all about. Standing up for what you believe in even if it's not a smart political move.
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I'm laughing the dumb asses saying "he's just doing this to get votes" seriously? knowing this country, it could very well have cost him his next term. you're right, the smart move would have been to keep quiet. but he had the balls to come forward. I'm so sick of the "its against god" arguement. guess what?! we live in a country with separate of church and state haha
Becca
 
carebear4eva

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bigbluegrl23 said:
I'm laughing the dumb asses saying "he's just doing this to get votes" seriously? knowing this country, it could very well have cost him his next term. you're right, the smart move would have been to keep quiet. but he had the balls to come forward. I'm so sick of the "its against god" arguement. guess what?! we live in a country with separate of church and state haha
Becca
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I'm Indian. Secularism is embedded in our bones deeper than democracy itself. I can't possibly imagine anyone trying to legislate based on a religious argument in India. He'd be voted off in a heartbeat.

"But the Bible says it is a sin!"

"Yeah, well, the Quran says you can have 4 wives and the Vedas say all meat is forbidden. Let me marry 4 women and close down all McDonald's, then we'll talk."

Separation of church and state, dumb-asses! The Bible stays in Church and the Constitution stays in Washington DC. And the twain have nothing do with each other!
 
carebear4eva

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As for the votes issue, I unfortunately think this will either hurt him or not affect him at all. The way I see it, single-issue voters in support of gay marriage were going to vote for him anyway. And uber-zealous "between a man and a woman" voters were gonna vote against him anyway.

If anything, I can see a small percentage of the bigoted fence voters swing away from him because of "the threat to traditional marriage".

On that note, thought I'd share this awesome sign :

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cole

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carebear4eva said:
There'd been speculation for a year, but he finally did it. I do think NC prompted him.

I'm definitely a champion for marriage equality, but if I had to prioritize, it would be lower on my list. First we need anti-bullying and anti-discrimination laws. Everyday that goes by without marriage equality....Eh, we'll survive. Everyday that goes by where some pricks can LEGALLY walk up to a child (or adult) and tell him/her that they think he/she is some dirty person who's going to hell....THAT needs to stop at once.

Only minutes ago I was told that I'm an abhorrence against nature, and that people wished I was dead. For the past eight months, my room-mate in college told me in graphic detail that "hot iron rods were being prepared for me in hell" (he was quoting from a religious text).

Let's stop all of THIS first.

Anyway, very glad the President made this step forward. :)
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I really like what you said there. Of course marriage equality is important -- but it's not as important as the social acceptance that first has to be implemented. Once we can stop the bullying of kids (which is so important) we'll be well on our way to working out marriage issues.


And I also agree with what Obama said about the generational thing. I really, really think --and I don't think it'll happen over night -- that eventually, one day, a generation will find it completely acceptable. How far ahead is that in the future? I don't know. But that's why we have to start now, so that we can influence our children of our children of our children.
 
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