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Huh - Interesting article Billboard’s Bill Werde Answers Critics of New Chart Rules « Saving Country Music
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News On Backlash To BB Asinine Rule Changes
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I thought I would post this here, since it is kind of related...
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Is the Rock-and-Pop-ification of Country Good or Bad? Mike Dungan, Radio Execs Weigh In | Billboard.biz
When the Country Music Assn. unveiled the finalists for its 46th annual awards, the list was met with numerous frowns. It had plenty of room for boundary-challenging acts, but not much space for tradition.
Eric Church's "Springsteen," with a lyric overtly embracing a rock concert, drew a field-leading five nominations. Jason Aldean, who considers himself a country singer backed by a rock band, and Dierks Bentley, whose current "5-1-5-0" employs Van Halen and Ozzy Osbourne references. Picked up four. Pop-textured Taylor Swift and Little Big Town netted three. The CMAs even had room for Snoop Lion and Lionel Richie.
In short supply were acts that can be considered stout traditionalists. Alan Jackson nabbed a slot only for a collaboration with Zac Brown Band, and George Strait-tied with Jackson for the most career nominations at 81-was absent for a second consecutive year. Brad Paisley, who co-hosts the awards with Carrie Underwood on Nov. 1, received a lone nomination. In fact, the CMAs underscore a perceptible shift in the genre as it continues to undergo a fragile transition, amassing as large an audience as possible while its radio format avoids fragmenting in the way that pop and rock have split.
Since its formal inception as "old-time music" in the early 20th century, country has witnessed a stylistic tug of war between pop and traditional forces. Now, country's big tent is propped up not by just those two poles but three: traditional country, pop-influenced music and a rock-edged sound. As a result, the genre is drawing more attention from younger music fans, whom historically spend more than older consumers on entertainment. But it's also challenging fans who are reaching the upper end or aging out of country radio's preferred 25-54 demographic.
Eric Church's "Springsteen," with a lyric overtly embracing a rock concert, drew a field-leading five nominations. Jason Aldean, who considers himself a country singer backed by a rock band, and Dierks Bentley, whose current "5-1-5-0" employs Van Halen and Ozzy Osbourne references. Picked up four. Pop-textured Taylor Swift and Little Big Town netted three. The CMAs even had room for Snoop Lion and Lionel Richie.
In short supply were acts that can be considered stout traditionalists. Alan Jackson nabbed a slot only for a collaboration with Zac Brown Band, and George Strait-tied with Jackson for the most career nominations at 81-was absent for a second consecutive year. Brad Paisley, who co-hosts the awards with Carrie Underwood on Nov. 1, received a lone nomination. In fact, the CMAs underscore a perceptible shift in the genre as it continues to undergo a fragile transition, amassing as large an audience as possible while its radio format avoids fragmenting in the way that pop and rock have split.
Since its formal inception as "old-time music" in the early 20th century, country has witnessed a stylistic tug of war between pop and traditional forces. Now, country's big tent is propped up not by just those two poles but three: traditional country, pop-influenced music and a rock-edged sound. As a result, the genre is drawing more attention from younger music fans, whom historically spend more than older consumers on entertainment. But it's also challenging fans who are reaching the upper end or aging out of country radio's preferred 25-54 demographic.
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Is the Rock-and-Pop-ification of Country Good or Bad? Mike Dungan, Radio Execs Weigh In | Billboard.biz
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This has always been an issue. But I think the big difference is that at one time artists were making music that was influenced by music they were hearing elsewhere and it was "effecting the country sound they were making for country radio" and some had a problem with that.
The issue now seems to be that there would be those that are just using the country format to promote themselves and thier music and have no real connection to or commitment to the genre itself. They seem to wish to get their leap at country but ultimately target larger formats.
So the reason for making the musical choices they are is dramatically different to me then it once was.
And I think that is a big shift.
The issue now seems to be that there would be those that are just using the country format to promote themselves and thier music and have no real connection to or commitment to the genre itself. They seem to wish to get their leap at country but ultimately target larger formats.
So the reason for making the musical choices they are is dramatically different to me then it once was.
And I think that is a big shift.
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Huh https://www.facebook.com/musiccityhitmakers Checkout the recent post: florida georgia line has a top 5 record?! REALLY!? @billboard needs to rethink this new format.
FYI Music City Hitmakers are Brett James (Songwriter/Artist), Hillary Lindsey (Songwriter/Artist), Gordie Sampson (Songwriter/Artist), Charlie Judge (Arranger/Keyboards), Cuzzin Chuck (Producer/Utility), Ethan Pilzer (Bass), Tim Marks (Bass), Milan Miller (Guitars), Troy Verges (Songwriter/Guitars) Nick Buda (Drums), Steve Moretti (Drums) Jessie Smith (BGV's)
FYI Music City Hitmakers are Brett James (Songwriter/Artist), Hillary Lindsey (Songwriter/Artist), Gordie Sampson (Songwriter/Artist), Charlie Judge (Arranger/Keyboards), Cuzzin Chuck (Producer/Utility), Ethan Pilzer (Bass), Tim Marks (Bass), Milan Miller (Guitars), Troy Verges (Songwriter/Guitars) Nick Buda (Drums), Steve Moretti (Drums) Jessie Smith (BGV's)
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I just checked and on both FB and Twitter - This comment has disappeared...It happened again folks. From now on if we see a comment from an artist or insider critical of BBs decisions we take a screenshot of it.
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NYT.com: Billboard's Changes to Charts Draw Fire
More press on the Billboard Charts fiasco.
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
Published: October 26, 2012
Cont'd at: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/arts/music/billboards-chart-changes-draw-fire.html
More press on the Billboard Charts fiasco.
Lee Jae-Won/Reuters
Billboard's revisions made "Gangnam Style," by Psy, above, No. 1 on the new Rap Songs chart.
Published: October 26, 2012
Three weeks ago, the editors at Billboard, who for decades have defined what makes an American hit, shook up the song charts for various genres.
The magazine started counting digital sales and online streams along with radio airplay in its tallies for most major formats. It also created two new charts using the same criteria, breaking out rap songs in one and R&B songs in a second.
The results have given stars with a pop-oriented sound and broad crossover appeal an advantage over other artists, upsetting and puzzling some music fans. Take Psy, the pudgy South Korean pop star with the infectious dance moves whose video “Gangnam Style” went viral on the Internet. Since the new rules took effect, “Gangnam Style” has been the No. 1 song on the new Rap Songs chart for the last three weeks, even though Psy does not rap on the track and most American hip-hop radio stations have yet to embrace him as a bona fide rapper.
On the Hot Country Songs chart, Taylor Swift’s pop single “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” has held the No. 1 position for three weeks, even as many country stations have rejected it, and Rihanna’s pop hit “Diamonds“ has remained atop the Hot R&B-Hip Hop Songs chart, causing dismay among R&B purists.
The magazine started counting digital sales and online streams along with radio airplay in its tallies for most major formats. It also created two new charts using the same criteria, breaking out rap songs in one and R&B songs in a second.
The results have given stars with a pop-oriented sound and broad crossover appeal an advantage over other artists, upsetting and puzzling some music fans. Take Psy, the pudgy South Korean pop star with the infectious dance moves whose video “Gangnam Style” went viral on the Internet. Since the new rules took effect, “Gangnam Style” has been the No. 1 song on the new Rap Songs chart for the last three weeks, even though Psy does not rap on the track and most American hip-hop radio stations have yet to embrace him as a bona fide rapper.
On the Hot Country Songs chart, Taylor Swift’s pop single “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” has held the No. 1 position for three weeks, even as many country stations have rejected it, and Rihanna’s pop hit “Diamonds“ has remained atop the Hot R&B-Hip Hop Songs chart, causing dismay among R&B purists.
Cont'd at: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/27/arts/music/billboards-chart-changes-draw-fire.html
pklongbeach
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Anyone who does not call T's new music Pop, has an agenda.
Sorry, but it's true.
There is just no way anyone person who has been on this planet for the last 15 years could play anyone of those tracks and not call it pop music.
What else would you call it? If you didn't know who was singing it, what would you call it?
This new catorgizing is what is making things unfair.
Psy is a pop star. Why would the song be effecting the Rap chart? ITs rediculous. Also, keep in mind, if it were in pop where it belongs it would probably be trouncing WANEGBT!
And We.... is clearly a pop song so why is is messing up the country charts?
"CATAGORIZING" This becomes all important.
Though I am glad that some songs off T's album are being called pop songs, it is a bit like deciding to call most apples friut but some vegetables. It makes no sense. All those songs ahve the exact same sensibility, they are very much pop songs.
They should not be on the country charts at all.
So until they change the catagorizing there is still going to be manipulation and problems.
Sorry, but it's true.
There is just no way anyone person who has been on this planet for the last 15 years could play anyone of those tracks and not call it pop music.
What else would you call it? If you didn't know who was singing it, what would you call it?
This new catorgizing is what is making things unfair.
Psy is a pop star. Why would the song be effecting the Rap chart? ITs rediculous. Also, keep in mind, if it were in pop where it belongs it would probably be trouncing WANEGBT!
And We.... is clearly a pop song so why is is messing up the country charts?
"CATAGORIZING" This becomes all important.
Though I am glad that some songs off T's album are being called pop songs, it is a bit like deciding to call most apples friut but some vegetables. It makes no sense. All those songs ahve the exact same sensibility, they are very much pop songs.
They should not be on the country charts at all.
So until they change the catagorizing there is still going to be manipulation and problems.