DYTAM listed on Wikipedia as next single.

[allamericangirl8]

Yep, I find women announcing to the world that they want to screw trashy. I think such things should be private. I'm not nitpicking, I'm simply stating my view of this particular song. I said that I don't hate the song but this is how I interpret the lyrics. I'm really not trying to convince anyone else. Just basically wanted to know if I was the only one that interpreted it this way. I'm not bashing Carrie or anyone else's view.

Once again, I know you're not bashing Carrie. It's not about Carrie. It's about your view on the song itself. Once again I have to ask, do you not listen to rock music? Do you dislike TWII?

Regarding BHC, I actually think it's one of the trashiest Carrie songs to date. That's partly why I love it so much, though, and I honestly think that's partly why it's so popular.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're gonna have a set criteria for why you like a song, you're gonna miss out on a lot of great songs. For instance, one of my favorite albums contains a song with the lyric, "I wanna f*ck you like an animal," and honestly, it's probably one of the best albums ever created.<3

Also, you don't need to leave just because a lot of people disagree with you. That would make this site really boring. Come debate with us!

 

[carebear4eva]

I don't feel it's close minded as much as it's just me having strong beliefs on this subject matter.

It is not close minded at all to have strong opinions on anything. That's good, and I commend you for it. I don't agree with you, but it's far better to have an opinion than to swing with a crowd.

What I think is close-minded is to reject a song based on its lyrics. Simplest explanation possible : I'm an atheist. I don't believe in life after death. I think this is our very permanent home and the only home we'll ever know. I don't think there is a God who can "take the wheel of my life".

I fully believe all of this, yet JTTW is probably among the most-played Carrie songs on my phone, and easily in my Top 5 favourite songs. I also adore TH as one of the finest songs Carrie has ever written, and probably the one she ought to be most proud of having conceived.

See my point? TH is a brilliant song in terms of its lyrics, music and Carrie's semi-divine voice. I don't believe that this is our temporary home, and yet I simply love the song.

Similarly, DYTAM is a very good song in terms of its music. Yes, the character in the song has sex outside of a sacred marriage bed, but that shouldn't make you hate the song itself. JMO.

 

[Oneal]

I agree with your interpretation of the events described in the first few lines of the song - namely that it is implying a sexual encounter, and that the man offers a choice, to which the woman says yes. What I don't agree with is, firstly, your implication that that puts the woman in a worse public perspective than the man (which is a double standard), and, secondly, your conclusion that it makes women, or men, or the song, appear trashy (which is a value judgment that, even if we feel it strongly, we can't expect singers or songwriters to be limited by)

I never said anything about the man. You assume I think it's ok for the man. I don't. I simply referenced the woman because the narrator of the song is the woman.
Secondly, I think I stated, it is my view, I do think it makes the song seem trashy to me. I don't expect singers or songwriters to be limited by it. I simply feel these feelings when I hear it.

 

[carebear4eva]

Look folks, I didn't mean to upset ya'll. I'm not going to continue this since I get the feeling it's making ya'll mad. Carrie has my full support and just because I don't care for this song, doesn't mean I won't support her.

And, lol, to echo Nicole, WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT CRITICISING CARRIE IN ANY WAY, OR ANY OF US!

I also agree that you don't have to drop the subject. That's kinda the whole point of a discussion forum. I've said it a zillion times, but a CFs that goes like this would be very boring.

A: "ABC is my favourite song! I think Carrie sounded perfect at the GRAMMYs! However, I didn't like what she was wearing at all, it was too dull. But her legs are amazing!"
Everyone else: "I TOTALLY AGREE!"

*several minutes later*

A: "Great...Now what?"

 

[NC State Carrie Fan]

I dont believe in pre-marital sex but its a song...i mean who cares shes not actually saying she did and if she did too late now cause shes married haha....This song is perfect for single 3

 

[snoopytan86]

I wish the 3rd single would be WAW/GIG..

 

[Schrodinger]

I know the bible teaches that premarital sex is wrong, and as a Christian I believe that is true. From what I know of Carrie's beliefs she believes that as well. She did tell Oprah, when Oprah commented that she and Mike had not lived together before they were married, that no - she would never live with a man that was not her husband.

Now I have a lot of writer friends, some Christians who write secular fiction, and we have discussed the issue of how a Christian can write a secular novel with charters that act immorally. The answer, because that is who the character is and you could not tell the story without that. The same can be said for music. Now I'm not talking about actually writing profanity with F that and F this or graphic sex scenes. But I am saying that you are going to have immoral characters in stories. If you didn't you would have unbelievable, Pollyanna picture of life. Even in Christian Fiction and Music that occurs to some extent. I suppose if Carrie were to switch to Contemporary Christian music then you would have more to object to. The point is that if an artist sings or writes about something like premarital sex it does not mean she believes it or is holding it out as model of behavior. All it means is that in this story that is what happened.

One pet peeve I do have is that a lot of Christians are running around with logs in their eye, condemning sex or drinking or whatever, but the forget about verses like Rom 1:29-31:

"29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy." NIV

Hmm gossips, arrogant, boastful, no love, no mercy...yep they tend forget about those. - Okay getting off the pulpit now.

 

[bigbluegrl23]

BHC, BA and TBC are my three favorites. Last Name and DYTAM are my least favorites.

but i don't understand. why? how do you like those? You don't dislike DYTAM because of the musicality or because of its catchiness, you dislike it because of the subject matter. so you think sex between two people who love each other is worse than cold blooded murder/revenge? this is what's wrong with society. a movie like SAW or other scary movies about torture that more often than not victimize women can be rated R but anything that shows consensual sex often gets cut. blue valentine has an oral sex scene (you didn't see her vjay at all, just her reaction) and it got an NC-17 rating. seems like society has it backwards.
Becca

 

[Pitocco]

k well if it helps to end this fight, Wikipedia is now saying TBC is the new single

GO!

 

[NC State Carrie Fan]

Did Oneal ever say he didnt like Do You Think About Me just because of the subject matter?

 

[liveasong]

WAIT! WHAT? OMG. Do You Think About Me is about SEX? LOL! I LOVE THAT SONG EVEN MORE NOW! HAHA!

To me, "You said we don't to, I said I will, yeah" was about Carrie wanting to kiss the guy. LOL

 

[PRGuy79]

Okay...Here's an idea: The lyrics to DYTAM do not say they are unmarried. Maybe they are a young married couple in love who have an encounter during the rain and then later divorce and move on because of some unmentioned marital trouble. Yet, she still looks back on their marriage and that night with fondness... Who says they aren't married? Maybe it is the listener who made that assumption. Just sayin'.

 

[thunder92]

WAIT! WHAT? OMG. Do You Think About Me is about SEX? LOL! I LOVE THAT SONG EVEN MORE NOW! HAHA!

To me, "You said we don't to, I said I will, yeah" was about Carrie kissing the guy. LOL

LMAO!

The only reason its not that is that its much less romantic (imo) for the guy to ask to kiss a girl. Just kiss her damnit haha but sex is a completely different story

 

[thunder92]

Okay...Here's an idea: The lyrics to DYTAM do not say they are unmarried. Maybe they are a young married couple in love who have an encounter during the rain and then later divorce and move on because of some unmentioned marital trouble. Yet, she still looks back on their marriage and that night with fondness... Who says they aren't married? Maybe it is the listener who made that assumption. Just sayin'.

While that may be true, I dont think so. If makes it seem like its their first time (you said we dont have to i said I will) together and I would hope that wouldnt be the case if they were already married lmao

 

[Pi314CA]

I know the bible teaches that premarital sex is wrong, and as a Christian I believe that is true. From what I know of Carrie's beliefs she believes that as well. She did tell Oprah, when Oprah commented that she and Mike had not lived together before they were married, that no - she would never live with a man that was not her husband.

Now I have a lot of writer friends, some Christians who write secular fiction, and we have discussed the issue of how a Christian can write a secular novel with charters that act immorally. The answer, because that is who the character is and you could not tell the story without that. The same can be said for music. Now I'm not talking about actually writing profanity with F that and F this or graphic sex scenes. But I am saying that you are going to have immoral characters in stories. If you didn't you would have unbelievable, Pollyanna picture of life. Even in Christian Fiction and Music that occurs to some extent. I suppose if Carrie were to switch to Contemporary Christian music then you would have more to object to. The point is that if an artist sings or writes about something like premarital sex it does not mean she believes it or is holding it out as model of behavior. All it means is that in this story that is what happened.

One pet peeve I do have is that a lot of Christians are running around with logs in their eye, condemning sex or drinking or whatever, but the forget about verses like Rom 1:29-31:

"29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30. slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy." NIV

Hmm gossips, arrogant, boastful, no love, no mercy...yep they tend forget about those. - Okay getting off the pulpit now.

Wait a minute. Romans 1:29-31 is not talking about Christians! Do not take that passage out of context. The beginning of this passage is Romans 1:18, and thus is talking about people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.

The "log in the eye" is a reminder to first evaluate oneself in an honest, sober fashion, and thus have a more proper biblical perspective when talking/evaluating others.

 

[Farawayhills]

I never said anything about the man. You assume I think it's ok for the man. I don't. I simply referenced the woman because the narrator of the song is the woman.
Secondly, I think I stated, it is my view, I do think it makes the song seem trashy to me. I don't expect singers or songwriters to be limited by it. I simply feel these feelings when I hear it.

Actually, from the general views on the issue that you expressed, I didn't assume that you would think it OK for the man - what worries me though is that, as you say, you said nothing about the man until pressed on it. Although the woman is the narrator, she refers constantly in the song to the man as "you", making the song fundamentally about them both. By focusing on the female character's role in the song as bragging, trashy, sleazy, and whorish, the argument comes across as a sexist one (which presumably wasn't your intention) rather than as expressing a moral view (which presumably was your intention). Sexism (even if unintentional) both complicates and weakens the moral argument. Why does the word "whorish" even come into the moral argument, when there seems to be no direct word for the male equivalent?

On the underlying moral issue, I would think it likely (from what you've said) that you, I, and Carrie all broadly agree on the way we'd strive to act in our own lives. But I feel (and, presumably, Carrie might too) that that is a separate matter from the songs we choose. I would argue that Country Music (in particular) includes a large element of songs about sexual encounters, revenge, drink, drugs, offensive language, and that it has never reflected a particular moral stance or a particular view of praiseworthy behaviour. To quote Carrie, it often "gives you chills".
But I'm more used to the Roots scene, and Carrie has to operate in the Mainstream. The Mainstream, I think most would agree, does have a significant socially conservative audience. I'd therefore ask, firstly, do you think the opinion you've expressed about this song would be a widespread one; and secondly, do you see Carrie's preferred role as concentrating on songs that deliver a message that corresponds to your views?

 

[Oneal]

Did Oneal ever say he didnt like Do You Think About Me just because of the subject matter?

No, I never said I disliked it at all. I simply made a post asking if anyone else found the lyrics of the song to sound whorish?. From there, it was apparent no one agreed and I continued to point out why I thought the lyrics of the song made it seem to trashy to me. I stated that Last Name and DYTAM are two of my least favorite Carrie Songs but I never said I hated the song and I was only wondering if anyone else interpreted the lyrics the same way I did.

 

[Schrodinger]

but i don't understand. why? how do you like those? You don't dislike DYTAM because of the musicality or because of its catchiness, you dislike it because of the subject matter. so you think sex between two people who love each other is worse than cold blooded murder/revenge? this is what's wrong with society. a movie like SAW or other scary movies about torture that more often than not victimize women can be rated R but anything that shows consensual sex often gets cut. blue valentine has an oral sex scene (you didn't see her vjay at all, just her reaction) and it got an NC-17 rating. seems like society has it backwards.
Becca

That is one the things other countries find odd about the U.S. Don't you make something too sexually explicit or you'll get a NC-17 or be unrated. But if you want to make Saw or Hostile which are torture porn, sure go ahead, you get an R. Terrible sadistic violence is okay but sex isn't. It is all so hypocritical. The porn industry in the U.S. generates more revenue that ABC, CBS and NBC combined. Somebody has to watching this stuff .

 

[Pitocco]

might i just point out that Carrie neither a) wrote the song, or b) ever eluded to the fact that these actual events ever took place? why are we making such a big deal about it?

 

[thunder92]

^because its Cfans, its what we do